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Is Shoot! a real map?????????? 

IS IT???????
Yes 50%  50%  [ 14 ]
No 50%  50%  [ 14 ]
Total votes : 28

Is Shoot! a real map?????????? 
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YOU TELL ME

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Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:24 am
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:26 am
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If it has walls, a floor, player starts and other stuff, then i class it as a 'map'.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:41 am
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I tried to come up with some witty response, but that response was so dumb I got nothing.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:44 am
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If it is brown, smells bad, tastes bad, and bio-oriented; it must be feces.

GREAT LOGIC BRO!


Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:53 am
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shoot!.wad is to duels what:
- wow.wad is to singleplayer.
- kevin&perry go large is to comedy movies.
- diarrhea is to diseases.
- having a life is to furries.
- bragging about your 1000 frag shoot duel is to girls.

and while i'm at it - if duelers were rappers, john zombie would be vanilla ice.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:56 am
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I think someone just made a random shitty map to see how it would turn out, soon to be overpriced.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:08 pm
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Is shoot a real map? Yeah its really shitty map. It looks like someone made it while looking at a mapping tutorial.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:12 pm
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1)Start a topic about a map for a pathetic trolling attempt
2)Ask some idiots here and there(mainly #a3 and #altdeath) to feed it
3)????
4)PROFIT!


Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:18 pm
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Decay wrote:
Is Shoot! a real [duel] map?
I agree with Dark-Assassin. One can discount Shoot! for many reasons, but "not a real map" is not one of them. What is a "real" map, anyway? There is a playing field where two players can kill eachother. It is a practice map, but it is also a real map.

Assuming you want a serious discussion about this (which looks unlikely so far), you should rephrase your question. What I think you want to ask is "Is Shoot! a worthwhile map on which to duel competitively?" This is somewhat subjective, but I think we can all agree that D5M1 is a "real" map. (If not then just replace it with any other "real" map.)

A duel is a comparison of one player's skills to another's, "skills" being "stuff you can do to win the game that doesn't break the rules." Shoot! tests a few of these:
  • SSG!!!
  • SSG OHK
  • Evasion
  • Prediction with perfect information
  • Spawn control

D5M1 tests a few more:
  • All Doom II weapons
  • Pickup management
  • Ammo management
  • BFG bump
  • Silent BFG
  • Camping
  • Prediction with imperfect information

But even D5M1 is missing some things:
  • Trick jumping
  • Rocketjumping
  • Unarmed evasion
  • Hide-n-seek
  • Rune/powerup management
  • Flag running
  • Non-Doom II weapons

The lists are probably incomplete, but the point is that from a pure complexity point of view, D5M1 or any other map is not much different from Shoot!, because there could always be much more.

So is it fun? Because this is a game, right? Maybe, but that's even more subjective. Gameplay is simple, yet solid, as it uses the SSG. It is fair because it is seen identically by two similar players. Maybe you'd get bored after 10 seconds on Shoot!, but there are maps I'd rather play than D5M1, too.


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Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:39 pm
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Only if we are making a distinction between real map and good map.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:44 pm
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I think it's pretty obvious that the poll is asking if it's a legitimate competitive map. You would have to be a total oblivious dipshit to take the literal wording of "is it a map or not" to vote yes.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:52 pm
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It has vertices, linedefs, sectors, things, nodes, etc. It fulfills a map's requirements, thus it is a map.

My logic is infallible!


Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:02 pm
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I'm the total oblivious dipshit, lol.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:13 pm
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So yeah that's a map XD !
Also I'm the best.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:22 pm
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OH YOU GUYS


Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:28 pm
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Its a map in the literal sense. Not a good one though, in my opinion. Then again, greenwar map 20 is my favorite and a lot of people hate that too for some reason. Though, this is a really subjective subject.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:31 pm
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you should've opened a "would you vote no to troll john zombie" poll directly, you'd probably had more success


Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:36 pm
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Qent wrote:
What I think you want to ask is "Is Shoot! a worthwhile map on which to duel competitively?" This is somewhat subjective, but I think we can all agree that D5M1 is a "real" map.
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But even D5M1 is missing some things:
  • Trick jumping
  • Rocketjumping
  • Unarmed evasion
  • Hide-n-seek
  • Rune/powerup management
  • Flag running
  • Non-Doom II weapons

The lists are probably incomplete, but the point is that from a pure complexity point of view, D5M1 or any other map is not much different from Shoot!, because there could always be much more.

let me get this straight. you think d5m1 is not much different from shoot, because it doesn't have flag running, which is, according to you, a complexity criterion in duels? o_O


Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:18 pm
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Including flags in duels would make it more complex, wouldn't it?

But I didn't say that duels should or should not have CTF in them. Just that a mapper can make a duel map (or any kind of map) arbitrarily complex. So drawing a line between Shoot! and D5M1 is itself arbitrary. Instead, decide what skills you want to compare vs. your opponent, and take a look at just which of those a map does test.

So "I refuse to play Shoot! because it doesn't allow hiding" would be valid to me.


Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:35 pm
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